Question by Doraemon: I am a Christian in Canada and want to discuss muslim immigrants in Europe?
I openly admit that I am a practicing Christian to all Christians and non-Christians I meet. Yes I have read many times about how countries in Europe go out of their ways to accommodate muslim immigrants. For example, many public schools are changing “Christmas vacation” to “Winter vacation” in fear of offending muslim students. And that is going too far. A muslim will not be offended when a Christian says “Merry Christmas” to him or her. Does it appear to be appropriate to you? A Christian adult gives a little muslim child a present on Christmas eve and says “Merry Christmas, child!” and then another adult quickly snatches the present away from the muslim child’s hand, and “No, we should not give this child a Christmas present because this child is muslim and might be offended if we show him or give him anything Christian”

Yeah, I am sure the muslim child would LOVE THAT.

I have not been to Europe yet but I also read about some muslim male immigrants causing trouble in the European countries they immigrated to, because “Quran” teaches that any woman not dressed modestly (in other words, not wearing the burka around her head) deserves to be raped and stoned to death.

Why should the hosting countries adhere to the immigrants’ culture? If the immigrants are so displeased with the hosting countries’ culture, then they should go back to where they came from.

Um…. you can give me your inputs. You are welcome to agree or disagree with my perspectives. I am certainly aware that there are very few things in this world that are “absolutely correct” or “absolutely incorrect” and that it is normal and natural for people to have different perspectives.

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Answer by Miss Dementia
I am from Northern Europe originally and still maintain a home there, spending more than half the year on the peninsula. We have had Muslims on the peninsula for just as long, if not longer, than we have had Christians on the peninsula. They were rarely a problem before, so it is NOT Quran, nor religion, just like it was NOT Bible or religion’s teachings when the Christians forced conversion by torture and murder. It was the quality of the people. I have read both Quran and Bible and that is not what either book says, nor do the many hadiths. It’s a tribal culture clash, with additional issues.

The immigrants we are getting now are primarily from war-torn regions. They are angry and lost. We are seeing now, for the first time since WWII, poverty in our countries. This upsets us as well and we try our best to take care of our own, even if they are new and not quite trusted. They tend to be poorly educated, steeped in their own tribal culture that they have fused with the Quran (much like the bible has been in various regions) and have a difficult time leaving those things they never should have had to leave in the first place. This is the upper and middle classes in their homelands, too. Imagine if we were getting the very poor! There are huge hurdles in place, and we are doing our best to deal with those and climb them together. We are not, and will never be, entirely successful. Also, we do deport huge swaths of them, but because of Dublin II, they are not forced to return to their home countries while their amnesty applications are being processed. They are returned to their country of entry, which for most Middle Eastern immigrants is Greece, a nation already broke and poorly prepared for the droves of now homeless, angry, under educated Muslims in their midst.

The point of all this? If “Christmas” is your biggest concern you have not been paying attention. Not only is it NOT called “Christmas” in many European countries (it is “Yule”, as it is based on that Pagan holiday, so the name stayed in many cases), it is not what you call it that matters, but the INTENT behind the holiday/act related to the holiday. We do not “adhere to their culture”, but since any decent sociologist will tell you the first generation will never acclimate to the new culture, we don’t expect it and we make the same accomodations for them you would make for a visible handicap. This usually means being mannerly, kind and understanding when speaking with one and trying to understand things from their POV.

The second generation is the bridge between two cultures. The third generation will be fully Nordic – IF we do not lose the bridge generation. So the children of those already there, and those born to immigrants already there, are the ones we must focus on the most. If that includes offending the occasional Canadian or American by calling it a “holiday” instead of something we don’t call it anyway, or putting drapes over the windows so the Muslim men don’t have to see us swim topless at public pools, then so be it. We are quite certain Americans hate most of us anyway and really, Canadians aren’t too terribly different than us, just with more interesting speech patterns and an overabundance of French.

Also, I’ve never seen a Muslim or Christian or anyone else take a gift from a child because of what it was called, though an extremist may indeed do that no matter where they call home. That sort of behavior from Muslims is not common, just like exceptionally poor Christian behavior is not too terribly common in my home country, though for some reason extremist religious behavior runs rampant in the US on all sides, yet with remarkably few fatalities, all things considered. We simply weed the extremists out the best we can back home, something that’s much harder to do in some areas. You may have a skewed view due to your proximity to the land of Bibles, Jesus and Guns, but that sort of behavior from ANYONE is not the norm in my part of Europe and I’ve already said, it’s incredibly uncommon.

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